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Notice of podcast interview w/ELA founder Pamela Sackett

Ryan's inquiry in this "Above the Veil" podcast episode: 

What comes first, thoughts or feelings? Is there a difference between feelings and emotions? Most importantly, how do we address the significantly increasing suicide, depression, anxiety and trauma rates in our society? Pamela Sackett, author of nine books and principal artist and founder of Emotion Literacy Advocates shares with us the shadow work that we all need to hear.


Just loved this interview Ryan conducted with ELA founder Pamela Sackett, it was so perfectly put together...
...very insightful...I hope everyone gets a chance to see this...Pamela & Ryan are great much hit home with me...I have a very dear friend who really needs to hear this...thank you for this episode, this resonated with me so much...thank you for both discussing and bringing more awareness to this subject ...g
reat interview, I loved the distinction between feeling and emotions, it made me think: There are no hidden emotions...thank you both, that was fantastic!...very smart woman, that is knowledge of experience...this may help open some eyes...thanks for speaking out...Ryan did a great job...Pamela's grace, elegance and deeply knowledgeable presence is extremely comforting!

I know what it's like to be the person who, hard core, goes: "Feelings shouldn't matter." Like it just shouldn' can feelings matter when you need to survive? 

And—lo and behold—they kept mattering. They kept affecting me...

 ...I didn't think it was real that you could be that sad, you could be that hurt, you could be that traumatized that you lost, what felt like, lost control of your will. 

I didn't think it was real until it happened to me. Because nobody around me ever affirmed in any way that that could be real. Everyone around me made me think that if you could in any way be affected by your feelings that strongly, something was wrong with you. 

I tried five million different ways to pull myself up by my bootstraps and it didn't work until I started taking care of myself and realizing that my feelings were not obstacles to my productivity, they were information about who I was and what I wanted.

Ashley C. Ford, as spoken on the November 2, 2020 episode of The United States of Anxiety podcast "An Invitation To Dream."

Thanks, Ashley, for what you reflects, with such acuity, some of ELA's reasons for being here.

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The value of ELA is in its broad arrangement of opportunities for contemplation on how we, as individuals, experience and interpret the world, and in turn, how we each bring these experiences to life in the world around us through our language. By developing and using a vocabulary that is aligned to our unique emotional landscape, for which the ELA curriculum is designed, we begin to experience a life that has been lived by no other, a life of experiences that can be wholly embraced as one’s own.
~Dani Hochleutner, MS, LPC

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